BIGFOOT AND OTHER CRYPTIDS with Cryptid Researcher Brian Seech

In this episode of the After Hours Chats podcast, I sit down with Cryptid researcher Brian Seech, who has long time studies of Otherworldly creatures, primarily Bigfoot. 
Join us for this fascinating discussion on his findings and theories on what these creatures may be!



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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:18

Well, hey there, and welcome to another episode of the After Hours Chat Podcast. Uh, Tiffany here, and I am here with another really cool guest, and um especially since um I've really been um kind of getting more into cryptids recently with my recent trip to uh Point Pleasant to explore a little bit more of the Mothman, and I've been looking into the dog man and all that stuff too. So, uh, but I'm here with somebody who's been researching uh these bad boys, these cryptids for quite some time. And yes, I would love for you to introduce yourself, uh, state your name, what exactly it is you do, how long you've been uh researching these cryptids for. Um, so yeah, so I'll give you the floor.

SPEAKER_00 1:12

First off, thanks for having me on. Um my name is Brian Sage, and uh I met Tiffany years ago at a uh Beaver County Ghost Hunters conference. This is the first time I met and I reconnected with uh the uh uh Christine Souls' panels.

SPEAKER_02 1:29

Yeah, Christine's panels, yes. Yeah, I've had Christine on here too, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:34

Yeah, and she actually you looked familiar, and then she says, Oh, well, Tiffany. I said, Wait, are you Tiffany upon? You know, I I met her at a so yeah, I thought it was pretty cool. But anyway.

SPEAKER_02 1:44

Yeah, it was funny because like I saw you wave to me and I was like, he looks familiar. I I couldn't quite place where I knew you, but I was like, he looks familiar, so I'll wave back, you know. Yeah, that's how we reconnect it. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:59

So yeah, basically, yeah, my name's Brian Seach. Uh, my wife Terry and I, we run uh uh two organizations. Uh the first is the Center for Unexplained Events, which actually celebrates its 40th year. So, yeah, 40th year investigating uh all facets of the unknown. Our other group we started in 2012, is the Center for Cryptozoological Studies. We actually formed that group because we felt that we weren't getting enough uh cryptid reports, Bigfoot reports, things like that. Because Q is kind of a broad spectrum uh title. We actually, you know, do everything basically. We you know, we uh do a little bit of paranormal research, which not that much anymore. Uh UFO research, we both used to be in the UFON. Um and then uh cryptid research, and not just Bigfoot, we research the the good the other cooler guys too, like Mothman, dog man, uh, you know, any kind of winged entities, things like that. And um so we've been doing it for uh 40-some years. It's been a passion for us. We have a huge library that we call our S-files instead of the X files. Yeah, and uh we've had a lot of uh uh top-motch uh authors and researchers come down here. Uh we actually live right now, we live in uh outside of a holler in uh Weerton, West Virginia. And if you look at a map, we're between PA and Ohio. We always like to say that we live on the tip of the middle finger of West Virginia.

SPEAKER_02 3:23

So I love it.

SPEAKER_00 3:25

Yeah, we're loving it down here. It's um it's a lot cheaper than living in PA, honestly. So that's why we moved down to yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:32

Oh yeah, yeah. Cause well, I was um, like I said, I was just in um Point Pleasant, uh, West Virginia, and um although um my hotel was like right on the Ohio and West Virginia uh border, and I was like, yeah, man, things are so much cheaper here than in Pennsylvania, you know.

SPEAKER_00 3:51

Exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 3:53

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:54

I was lucky enough to, you know, to speak actually twice at the uh at the Mothman Festival. And I've been down there about seven or eight times, and uh maybe a chance I'll be there this year. Can't say 100% sure, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love like Point Pleasant. That there's just something about that place that I don't know, there's just so much mystery, so much lore, and so much like just like and also just history there too, you know. You know, even history that has not really a lot to do with the Mothman, you know, but but it's it's such a fascinating little little place, you know, whether you're going for the Mothman. I mean, I think most people go there for the Mothman, but like, but it it but there's also other cool little things uh there too. And um, yeah, I definitely uh plan to uh go back there uh again. Um but um but you've been uh researching cryptids uh for quite some time, as you stated. Um what originally like got you interested in uh this line of work and um you know in researching like these creatures and you know what they might be or might not be?

SPEAKER_00 5:04

Well, basically, you know, growing up in the 70s, you know, I would watch in search of uh unsolved mysteries, things like that. Okay. And uh I've always been a uh UFO and monster geek, and people know I'm just a big kid. I'm a 60-year-old, 60 well, sorry, 61-year-old kid now. I still love my Star Wars, my my Godzilla movies, uh, everything, UFOs. And uh so I started to buy uh maybe about 74, 75, I started to buy uh UFO magazines. And in some of those magazines, believe it or not, they had talked about uh UFOs in conjunction with Bigfoot. And sometimes people were seeing these creatures either come out of a uh a UFO or UFO hovering close by or sometimes uh uh up above, and and I was hooked since. I was hooked since that.

SPEAKER_03 5:52

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 5:53

Yeah, hey, that's no, I mean we all we all have that gateway drug as to like what what got us into all that stuff. And you know, for me it was just you know, um having an early fascination just with um just with like horror movies and you know, even seeing some of like the really old school um, you know, horror films from like the very early part of the 20th century, and you know, like creature from the black lagoon, all that stuff, and you know, and then it's like of course, um, you know, you start to, you know, watch like TV shows, TV specials, you know, ancient aliens, all that stuff that covers, you know, all that stuff, and then you start to really go down that rabbit hole. But um, but what um in all your studies about cryptids, uh, which one fascinates you the most, holds your attention the most, or is your area of study the most and why?

SPEAKER_00 6:52

Well, I'd have to say, uh, and anybody that knows me knows that it's Bigfoot. Bigfoot, yeah. If you remember at the podcast, I called him the King Cryptid, the rock star of cryptids. Yeah, he is. Uh there's more, probably more information on Bigfoot than uh any other almost all the other cryptas combined. It's just you know, from uh uh Indian lore to uh sightings across the whole globe, actually, different kinds of creatures, uh uh, you know, like the Yaren or the Abominable Snowman, you know, things like that. And yeah, all ape-like creatures. So yeah, it's been uh one of the easiest to follow, too. I'm actually going to, it looks like about a half hour after I our podcast is done, talk to a a uh a couple who's apparently having some kind of activity on their property, not too far from here. So it's yeah, it's a busy night for me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:42

Yeah. Oh, cool. And um, what are your because you know, in addition to the Mothman, and I know at the last panel, like it got into a little bit of like a like a good-natured, you know, Mothman or Bigfoot, like, you know, who wins kind of thing. But I've also um developed like a recent like fascination with uh dog man, um, which I know is a very prominent cryptid in in Ohio. So um what are your thoughts on on that if you've um looked into that at all?

SPEAKER_00 8:12

Oh yeah, we we we were uh one of the first uh myself, uh uh my wife and uh Fred Saluga, who unfortunately he passed away in December. I think you saw him at the last, not this panel, the panel before. And um, well, how we got into that. It's a quick little story, but so I was reading a uh a book, Hunting the American Werewolf, by Linda Godfrey. She's actually the one who brought the dog man phenomena to the surface from uh Elkhorn and Swanson. And so I'm reading this book, Hunting the American Werewolf. I'm paging through it, I'm and I'm looking at it, and I make this really weird face. I mean, I always make weird faces, but this is an even weirder one. And my wife's looking, she goes, What's wrong? And I looked at her, and we lived up in uh Mercer County for three years. Okay, I think it was ninety-seven through ninety-nine or something like that. Never heard of it. I said we lived in Mercer and we never heard of this. It's called the Shenandoah Valley Werewolf. Okay, so I went kind of went on a deep dive looking into that, and this particular one talked of a smaller creature they called the dog boy, which uh which kind of led to our studies uh in the dogman field. And yeah, uh myself and Fred and even Terry, we would give presentations. We were the first ones around here, um, other than Jody Cook in Ohio and Linda, who actually talked about the dogman. And we were ridiculed, we're like, oh yeah, now you're talking werewolves, Brown. You've really lost it. Because when when people when people think of Dogman, as far as what it looks like, it looks like a Hollywood werewolf. And everybody's seen the werewolf movie, Silver Bullet, you know, uh thing, you know, where uh American Werewolf in London.

SPEAKER_04 9:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:56

And if you this is what people were, at least the the the ones that we have, the the sightings that we have, it looks like an upright wolf. You take the biggest wolf you can, put it on two legs, and it this is what this dog man looks like. And and I'll tell you, it's one of the most controversial ones we do because you know there's no records, no fossil records of any kind of you know, canad cryptid that walks on to.

SPEAKER_01 10:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:20

And uh, but when you talk to the the actual people and you talk to the eyewitnesses, they're like they'll tell you, they'll say, Hey, uh I know this sounds crazy, but I saw something that looks like a like a werewolf. I call them Hollywood werewolves, you know. Yeah. Um and it's a subject. I mean, even when I talk about it, there's like like a disbelief. I'm like, it makes no sense. But people are seeing it, and it seemed to be seeing it more, or as sometimes I like to say, they're reporting it more. Yeah. We don't get all the sightings of any any of these creatures, even Bigfoot. For as many as we get, there's always like a kind of like an always an unwritten ratio, like for every Bigfoot report you receive, there's five or six that you don't. Yeah, this can go up to ten or whatever, but um you could see that uh although Bigfoot has gained the most popularity, there's still um like a ridicule factor. So I I I I posted this thing today in the Burgessdown uh uh Facebook page. Has anyone had any sightings of Bigfoot or any other strange creatures? And nine nine and a half out of ten like laughed at me. Oh yeah, there's some people with you know down at Walmart or things like that. Uh huh. I saw the Loch Ness monster at this dam, you know. But I did receive kind of two uh two different reports that I'm in the full the process of following up. And this is why I do this, because I do for every 10 people that mock me, right? I get one or two that I can follow up on. Uh uh, you know, hey, we're you know, can I come to your place? You know, you you may have activity there, things like that. Can we come? Do you have any footprints, you know, any solid proof, pictures, things like that? Yeah, and so yeah, I mean, I'll take the ridicule because I'm kind of used to it by now. But hey, all it takes is one. Yeah, one solid report, maybe, just like hitting the lottery, maybe I hit the powerball with this thing and get the the absolute proof. Probably not gonna happen, I know, but uh you you still gotta hold out hope.

SPEAKER_02 12:26

Yeah, yeah, but um, but of all the theories of um what these uh cryptids might be, um where they might come from, uh whether it's like interdimensional or extraterrestrial, oh the kitty just went across the kitchen. Oh I love it. I love it. If you're whoever's watching the video version of this, you there's a a kitty cat just went across the screen the screen.

SPEAKER_00 12:52

So uh here he is, but he uh he's grabbing the there he is in the background.

SPEAKER_02 12:58

Uh but um but yeah, but uh what I was saying was like what what theories about these creatures, like in your opinion, are the most uh plausible? Like as far as you know, like I said, like where they come from, what they might actually be. Um you know, are they left over from like some type of ancient species, or are they like more interdimensional, extraterrestrial? Do they come through portals? Uh like what are your thoughts?

SPEAKER_00 13:28

Yes. Yes on all of them.

SPEAKER_02 13:32

Yes, yes, yes and yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:35

We we always like to say, and and all you if you even hear one of my podcasts, I'm gonna say the same thing over and over, is we just don't know. Yeah, uh, everybody wants to put everything in a nice neat little box. They they want black and white, they don't want it gray, they don't want a shade of gray. Yeah, um these creatures could be different different species, different things. There could be a flesh and blood animal out there. Yeah, some could be interdimensional, some could be extraterrestrial. Um one of the new theories that I'm just hearing is maybe this creature uses like it uses it can use a zero point energy and somehow slip uh slip into which would look like uh bit being invisible, but only invisible to you. So there are so many theories, and I'm on the I'm right on the fence about it. I the one thing I've always said, and another thing that I will state over and over, there's a missing piece in the Bigfoot puzzle. Yeah, it's a missing piece. Um to think that it's just uh an undiscovered primate. I really do believe we would have a lot more evidence than what we do. I really believe that. Whether I'm right or wrong, I just don't care whether I'm right or wrong. I don't. Uh I tell people the truth, what I feel in my heart. Um, and the the phenomenon is gonna be what it is. Um it's not gonna be what I want or what you want. And I really do think there may be uh different answers for all of it. Now I know that might sound like a cop-out, and if it does, I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lie to you just to you know promote an agenda because I have no agenda. My agenda, my agenda in all this is to see one, yeah, whether it be a mothman or a bigfoot or a dog man, see one for myself, just to prove to myself and that little kid in the 70s sitting there watching all these shows that hey, you didn't waste your time. There's something to this, and I really believe there's something to all this phenomena. I mean, I have we have hundreds and hundreds of newspaper articles up there, yeah, books, magazines. So this phenomena has been going on a long time, you know, all the phenomena, you know, whether it be UFOs, yeah, you know, ghosts, and you know you know you know about the ghost end of it too, especially.

SPEAKER_03 15:47

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:48

Um you just can't discount it. And right, you know, like today's society, I I call it like a one-day society. So, okay, you know, uh, we bomb Iran in the morning, okay. Just so then everybody comes on, they're a war expert, they're an economic expert, they're a terrorist, okay, and you hear it and you're boom, boom, there's so many things, boom, next day there's another topic that comes up, boom, boom, boom. But the Bigfoot, you know, the Bigfoot phenomena, a lot of these they continue to happen and continue to occur time after time. So what does that tell you? There have to me there has to be something to it.

SPEAKER_02 16:26

Yeah. Oh yeah. Absolutely. No, I agree. I mean, you know, like you said, we may not have all the answers or really any answers as to like what exactly they might be. You know, we may only just have our theories. Um, but there there's definitely there's been enough um witnesses, you know, especially with with like Bigfoot, you know, especially with Bigfoot. But even like, you know, with like you know, with Dog Man and you know, Bogman and the Mothman and all these other man, I forgot about Goatman. Yeah. But like, but even with all of them, it's like you know, when you look at the the accounts of like the people that that saw them, that you know, it's like they they seem very, you know, they they seem credible. You know, they they don't seem like, you know, okay, they're they're making something up or you know, and it's and that's the thing too. It's like it's like enough people, it's like enough people see the same thing, you know, in order and and it's not you know, and it's just you know, but it's like when enough people see the same exact thing and have like a like a like the same experience like within the span of like the same time, you know, it yeah it kind of makes you go like, mm, you know, like maybe there's something to that, you know, maybe that that they they come we don't know where they come from, but they they're they're coming from somewhere. And um another area of fascination for me, and this is more of like a um probably we're going more up into northern Canada, is the um is the Wendigo. Like I'm just um that that's kind of like a fascination for me because I've read you know some accounts where it's like you know, it's a it's a walking giant, basically, and then other accounts where it's like it's a wind spirit. It you know, it depends on who you talk to or which you know which version um of the experience that uh somebody had. Um what are your thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_00 18:35

Yeah, yeah, the the Wendigo out of all the cryptids or uh semi-cryptids or near cryptids, the one I've done the least amount on is the Wendigo. I have our friend Leah, which um if you remember Leah, she was on the alien panel with my wife.

SPEAKER_03 18:49

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:50

Um yeah, she uh she's done a lot of research on in on the Wendigo.

SPEAKER_03 18:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:55

Um so it's could it be is it an interdimensional entity? Yeah, spiritual entity. But some people say that they've seen this creature, you know, varying looks, things like that. Um cannibalistic one that you probably don't want to make.

SPEAKER_02 19:11

Cannibalistic giant, whatever, yeah, yeah. We can't do it. Yeah, but I think what I think what like what really I think turns up the creep factor uh for me uh for the wendigo is just the fact that you know that's way, way up in northern Canada, where there's like pretty much, as far as I know, at least, nothing but forest, you know, because a lot of you know, a lot of the civilization um of Canada, at least like I said, I'm not a I'm not a Canada expert, but from like what I've you know heard and like you know, people, you know, that I know that are from Canada, you know, most of it is like it's more down toward the border of Canada and the US is where most of most people live. Um and but then it's like when you go further up, it's basically just all like forest and woods and mountains. And and for me, it's kind of like the same thing as the ocean, where we've only explored like a small amount of that. And what what really is, you know, underneath that? What really is in that forest? What really is, you know, in that ocean? And you know, and people that have like, you know, been out on the ocean, you know, late at night have heard some really, really weird and unearthly stuff. And some claim to have even seen some pretty weird and unearthly stuff that don't match any type of like marine animal that we know. So it's kind of like one of those things like like with the Wendigo, like a lot of a lot of that comes from like that northern part of Canada that that and that's what's just so mysterious about it, because it's like you go up there and there's probably like barely any civilizations at all, you know. And you know, whereas with you know, dog man and Mothman and Bigfoot, it's like those actu the like sightings for those, like you typically took place like okay, like around civilization and everything, like especially the Mothman, because apparently the Mothman was like trying to warn people ahead of time about the silver bridge. Like that's one of the beliefs of why the Mothman um appeared when he did. Um and even though Dogman's not as helpful, you know, he's a lot more destructive, you know, it's still um still like like we we see him around civilization. So, you know, yeah, like it it's a fascination, but like but it's but for me, like what really turns up the creep factor for the Wendigo is the fact that, you know, not only is it an un kind of like a relatively unknown entity, but it's but he's you know, it whatever is up into uh or she, I mean. There could be Lady Wendy Goes to. But um but yeah, but like you know, we're talking like way, way up in the forest where probably like which is probably a like a big mystery in and of itself and you know probably full of like portals and things like that. You know.

SPEAKER_00 22:27

Somehow some of these creatures can bleed in or bleed out, however you want to say.

SPEAKER_03 22:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:35

Um maybe change their frequency, their density.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

Right.

SPEAKER_00 22:39

Again, we don't know for sure, but I I want to show you this. Uh-huh. This is one of one of my newer my newer things here that I've been we've been working on for a little bit is uh well everybody's seen the uh movie The Predator, right? Mm-hmm with Arnold. Arnold get to the topper, you know. Um, so there is the the the predator, which is an alien who can blend in with the background, it can cloak itself.

SPEAKER_01 23:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

Okay. So just been reading this book. I don't know if you could see it here.

SPEAKER_01 23:10

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:11

Yeah, glimmer. And I do, I believe I did talk about it at a couple of the uh panels. We call it a sh we actually our nickname for it is a shimmering predator type entity because people know the predator and they know that like you'll see an outline uh something big, but you see through it, you'll see the trees through it, and it'll be moving. And uh in this book, there's actually the one report we took from Raccoon State Park, which isn't that far from us here in uh where we live in Weerton. And uh the guy was fishing at the upper lake and he looked down and he sees like a silhouette of this thing. He didn't know what it was. Yeah, it was big, but he saw the silhouette and he saw through it, and then it must have turned and he saw two yellow eyes staring at him.

SPEAKER_01 24:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:02

Still sees the silhouette of it. Uh-huh. Um and the interesting thing about well, about the movie Predator, which which which is in this book, which I I found out. Um, the man, the man who did the special effects for the Predator. Okay. His name was Joel, and and then wait for the wait, you know, wait for the uh the last name. Okay. Heinick. Does Heinek ring a bell? What was it? J. Allen Heinek.

SPEAKER_02 24:30

Oh.

unknown 24:30

J.

SPEAKER_00 24:31

Allen Heinek. If you remember everybody in UFOs remembers who Jay Allen Heinek.

SPEAKER_02 24:35

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

That was his son who did the special effects on the Predator. Now I didn't know this until I read this book, and I actually posted about it about a week ago. And no, a lot of other people didn't know that either. And he apparently won an Academy Award for uh special effects in Robin Williams' movie What Dreams May Come, where he goes into heaven to see his dead wife and things like that. And uh but so everybody says, Wow, what did he know? What did his dad tell them about some of the sighting? And then all of a sudden he does the special effects for the predator. I think that's a little more than a coincidence. Yeah, it's really the first time I talk I've talked about this. I know I'm gonna include it in my presentations now because people go, Wow, I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_02 25:20

Uh-huh. Yeah, what are your thoughts on the bog man?

SPEAKER_00 25:25

The what?

SPEAKER_02 25:26

The bog man.

SPEAKER_00 25:28

The bog well, I've heard of the boggy creek monster. I'm sorry? I've heard of the boggy creek monster, you know.

SPEAKER_01 25:35

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:36

Yeah, and that was uh allegedly a Bigfoot in Falk, Arkansas. They there's been there has been uh sightings across the United States of creatures living in swamps.

SPEAKER_01 25:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:46

You know, uh there's the one, uh geez, uh I'm I'm at a loss for where it is. It's a famous one. I can't think of it right now because I'm getting old. But there was one one down south. Um there was a creature that lived uh by a swamp, too. Yeah, so um, yeah. I mean, these you know, if you a lot of people don't go back deep into swamps because you can. I mean, you know, you're sinking or go in a airboat or something. So yeah, what what better place for one of these creatures to hide?

SPEAKER_02 26:16

Yeah, yeah. And um, like what is your um research method? Like, do you have like a particular like you know, step plan as far as like whenever you like say, hey, you know, I'd like to research this creature here? Like, I like do you have like a method of research or do you just kind of like dig into all of the information at once that you can get your hands on?

SPEAKER_00 26:42

Well, we we always kind of like to start with uh backsightings, history of an area, uh, whether it could maybe sustain a creature or at least have a creature pass through. Uh-huh. And uh then if we get a report, then we try to talk to the person on the phone. Okay, and see if it's you know, you kind of get a feel was it real? You know, should we follow up on this? And then we do say, hey, uh, is it especially if it's a newer one? And even if it is, I will say, is it possible we can come on your property and look around?

SPEAKER_01 27:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:19

Um, we like to look around, look for signs, even if it's an older report, you know, could there still be signs of something in the area? That's what's important. Then you all you look for footprints, you uh even though I'm not a hundred percent invested in this tree structure phenomena where they get the trees and bow them or they make nests, yeah. I I'm not a hundred percent sold on that, but we do look for that in conjunction with you know other things. And yeah, then if it's if it's newer or if they have a recent sighting, we can go back out at night, or especially maybe to see if we can get to the properties around it. And then, you know, we take our equipment, hopefully, you know, recorders, uh, you know, uh night vision to see if we can catch anything on yeah, anything on that. And so far, no, no luck on that. We we keep trying. But that's if we would find a print, we would cast it. Because I carry plaster on my uh, I carry like a uh basically a fly fishing vest with uh plaster, water, you know, so I'm mobile, so I can go in the woods and just hey, if I see something, my you know, you get a stick and I have a a little dog bowl that comes up like this and you can mix your plaster in it. So yeah. Um we haven't really um our group hasn't really found any. We found imprints that look like, but they're they're they're not embedded enough. You can't take a we take pictures of them and note them and things like that, but you can't really cast them. So uh one of our members did cast a real thin one up in uh uh Elk, Elk County. And uh he was able to get there through another another researcher. That uh what happened there is they have a carport, and they have you know some gravel on the carport, and something walked in at night and banged on the house, and then it went away. So through one researcher to another, we have friends Dave and Carrie Rupert, they went up there and they did cast that that next afternoon. Looked like a really big print, like a like a human-like print. It was really thin, but they did a fantastic job to get to get and I ended up breaking a little bit. We still have it, but a piece of it broke off. But um he was able to get there, and they actually took pictures of the wet spot, like it was like you know, it was in the middle of the night, so the creature was feet were probably wet, and you see the imprint. Yeah, and then he was able to build a a little like a base around it and then cast it. So um, but yeah, that's that's kind of that's the method. And then you always you follow up with the eyewitness, you check for other reports closely, you know, whatever else we've got gotten. One of the interesting ones that we got was a uh we got a series of white Bigfoot reports, and I might have mentioned this at the panels uh in uh uh beaver county. We used to live we lived in Beaver County all our lives except uh three years ago lived in Mercer, and now we live down here for it'll be five in August. But uh so people were seeing which basically amounted to a white Bigfoot, a bigfoot that was white, and we had like two reports uh in Beaver County actually more, but two that were like right across into uh Beaver Creek State Park, which that is one of our favorite areas to research. Okay. We've had more things happen there, Beaver Creek. I don't know if you've ever been there.

SPEAKER_02 30:50

Oh Beaver Creek Beaver Creek. I think I I was there like a few years ago or something like that, but um, but yeah, uh now I have a reason to like go back.

SPEAKER_00 31:02

So yeah, the ghost of Gretchen apparently is down there too. So it's a really cool place. They've had UFO sightings, so yeah, a lot of different things happen there, and uh so that's basically what we try to do for an investigation. And we try to go on not as much anymore because it's harder to get a group together. We'll go on a night off, but we'll stay at a location, like we've done it about five or six times at Beaver Creek, and uh had some interesting sounds. We heard some interesting sounds there. Um we had a rock thrown at us from uh a hill right above right. There's a place called Hamilton's Mill. Oh, and there's a trail that goes into the woods. And we were we were walking, there were four of us, me and Terry, and then uh Carrie and Dave Rupert you you hear me talk about them a lot. There was a big hill off to the left, and a rock came flying from that hill into a pond that was right next to us. Wow, and Carrie saw so you know Carrie actually saw the rock go in and then the concentric rings come come out. It wasn't a uh like a beaver that went up and then slapped its head.

SPEAKER_02 32:04

Yeah, I think they said and you guys there there was no way of like knowing like where the rock came from or anything.

SPEAKER_00 32:11

No, we uh so we theorized it was right next to us on that hill. So Dave and I tried to get up there as quick as we can. Of course, we found nothing. But you know, was it a person? I don't know why they're a and a person I don't think would have had that that arm that would have been able to get it all the way up from that hill to the pond. I mean, it was a good distance. So yeah. Um it's one of our our favorite places to go.

SPEAKER_02 32:34

Yeah, wow, that wow, that's that that would be kind of creepy there, because it's just like, yeah, like where'd that come from? And why are they throwing rocks at us, you know?

SPEAKER_00 32:44

Yeah, and they say that that's what the Bigfoot do to get you out of an area. They'll yell, make noises, crash trees, throw rocks.

SPEAKER_01 32:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:52

They just want you out of their area, their home. And uh sometimes you've heard of bluff charges that happen, and wow. Let's face it, if these things wanted to hit you with the velocity that some of these rocks, they could kill you.

SPEAKER_01 33:06

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:08

Yeah, yeah. Just be like, we come in peace. We just want to know more about you. Yeah, yeah. But um, wow, that's but yeah, but that's that's quite an experience having a rock thrown at you possibly by uh by a big foot, you know. So um was there um so would there be like a location, um like a cryptid location that you know you like to frequently go to or that you feel the most drawn to, or maybe one where you think you've seen the most activity at?

SPEAKER_00 33:43

Um definitely beaver creek.

SPEAKER_02 33:46

Beaver Creek?

SPEAKER_00 33:47

Yeah, definitely. That's my favorite.

SPEAKER_02 33:49

Go to Beaver Creek. Yeah. Yeah. So that's yeah, yeah. Wow, cool. So um, and as far as like where like you'll you'll be speaking at your work and all that stuff, um, like where can uh people find you and like you know, maybe follow some of uh your work and what you're doing?

SPEAKER_00 34:14

Well, basically, you know, on Facebook, we do most of our stuff on Facebook. Um you can go to Center for Crypto Studies uh on Facebook or Center for Unexplained Events, or the probably the quickest way is just to uh send me your friend request or or send me a message on my page, Brian Seach, and you know, we will get back to you. That's probably it's always been the easiest to uh you know hit hit Facebook up. I mean, some people do email us. We have an email center for uh that's center for cryptostudies at gmail.com. Uh sometimes I don't check my email all the time. Uh-huh. So uh yeah, so the best way, especially if you want to get in touch with me quick, is to do Facebook.

SPEAKER_02 34:56

Facebook? Cool, cool. And um what advice like would you have for somebody like maybe wanting to start to research these cryptids? Um, whether it's you know, Bigfoot, Mothman, Dogman, you know, uh any any other creature that you know somebody else might come across and find a fascination with. Um, like what advice would you have like as far as you know research goes and um maybe getting started in something like this?

SPEAKER_00 35:27

Well, one of the one of the things that we we did, but you know, we're old school too. Um we always hit old newspaper articles, archives, uh, libraries. Uh now the newer researcher goes on internet, you type in Bigfoot and PA, and a lot of these things you can pick it right off of there. But what a lot of the the people don't realize is uh not everything about these cryptids and not all these newspaper articles are always readily available. We have a lot of old magazines, probably 12 bins of magazines. Uh-huh. Certain articles and certain stories are in there, and if you don't have these magazines, they disappear. A lot of it is uh uh you know, researching areas too. Traditionally, you know, uh like a place like Beaver Creek, Salt Fork State Park.

SPEAKER_03 36:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:17

If you if you type on them, stories will come up and you can get times and look for patterns, look for commonalities. Like where we used to live in Beaver County, the reports we used to get there were almost cyclical. They were almost uh, I would say they would start in September and then end in January. I mean, we got a couple in the summer and things like that, but almost they always tend to cluster in the fall. The fall, late fall, early winter. And then you don't seem to get them. You might get some occasional ones in the summer.

SPEAKER_01 36:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:49

But it seems like you know, certain areas, you know, if some people say do if they migrate, do they migrate to an area with more food? Do they follow the patterns? Again, uh, I just say we just kind of let the uh uh the pat you know the patterns speak for themselves. If we you know we're getting 10 reports in October, because there's been over 35 some sightings in Beaver County, yeah, then it's a good bet that you're gonna have a better chance at some of these locations in the fall. So again, it also a lot of what we do, like down here in uh uh West Virginia, the people don't really come out and talk to you as much. Now we've been here, like I said, we've been here almost five years, and our friend Fred was here like 15. He always had a hard time too to get people to talk to him. Now we we did some Thomas and Run Park events, and we did a lot of events around here.

SPEAKER_01 37:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:42

People were starting to come out. There's they start to come out, but there's still a lot of them don't wanna, you know, don't want to tell you about stories and things happening. That uh they laugh at them. It's like, and I tell them, I'm like, hey buddy, you know, they're gonna laugh at us for doing it, not you for seeing it. And besides, we don't tell people, you know, we give confidentiality. Like, let's say you report it.

SPEAKER_02 38:05

We're not gonna like put the camera on you if you don't want us to, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:10

Yeah, we'll say, hey, we received a report from Allegheny County uh of a creature, you know, walking across the road and then disappearing, or things like that. Whatever your account was, whatever your account was is what we were we report. Now we leave out details, we always leave out names, things like that. Um people don't want to tell us exactly, so we we give them a county, Allegheny County.

SPEAKER_03 38:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:33

Well, they don't want you, we don't want to say, you know, Tiffany, Tiffany's house, you know, everybody's coming to your house looking for big friends.

SPEAKER_02 38:40

I know like where's this creature at?

SPEAKER_00 38:42

You know, yeah, yeah, and you really do, you have to protect, you know. Um, but we we have people that won't even give you oh, we we received 10 reports from that area. Well, can you tell me about them? No, I can't tell you one thing about them.

SPEAKER_03 38:56

I'm like, Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:57

I mean, we're not asking for names. Can you give us just maybe with the creature look like a date, you know, maybe not even dates, like a time of year, summer, but they don't want to give anything, and that doesn't help anybody either. Yeah, so um, yeah, you have to always give, you know, watch for confidentiality, but still we gotta we gotta work together and you know try to help each other too.

SPEAKER_02 39:18

So yeah, yeah, definitely. And a million dollar question that I ask people that study these cryptids if you were to actually run into Bigfoot and see Bigfoot face to face, what would you do?

SPEAKER_00 39:37

I I've replayed that a thousand times in my mind. Um honestly, I really have. I'm like, well, we thought we saw uh well, we did kind of see like two almost took like two saucer-shaped eyes over here in the hill. First year we were here at night.

SPEAKER_01 39:52

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 39:52

My wife saw it, and I went back inside and I came back out. And I this time I had a flashlight, and I scanned the hillside, and then I saw one like down further here. And then it peeked behind a tree and then it and it left. I'm I'm curious now. This this is a major hill, so I can't couldn't go running up it. I mean, yeah, but the the one thing that happened kind of funny a couple years ago, and this might tell myself what I would probably do, and maybe not, it's a good thing. So we were down at uh uh Point Pleasant with our friend Steve Ward.

SPEAKER_01 40:25

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 40:26

Uh me, Terry, and Leah, and with Steve Ward, and we were trying to run some of our. Yep, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:34

Got this from the Mothman Museum. He's my buddy.

SPEAKER_00 40:38

So I got one similar to that too, yeah. Um so we have a frequency machine which we use. We try to emit frequencies to try to interact with the A phenomena, whether it's the light spheres, which we the light bulbs or spirits. But it wasn't working. It's almost like I don't know if the battery's drained. So I says, hey, I'm gonna go uh I'm gonna go get something that we might be able to jump our thing, because it, you know, it takes a battery or power. So I'm walking back along this shore to get to the road to where we are parked on the other side.

SPEAKER_01 41:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:12

And I walk and I'm I'm always glancing in the woods, always glance. And I look and I stopped and I'm like looking. I see two red look like eyes in the woods.

SPEAKER_02 41:26

Oh man.

SPEAKER_00 41:28

And the first thing I said, I I said out loud, I go, you've got to be kidding. And I have my flashlight with me. So I'm I'm shining it, and I start walking toward it, which kind of tells me, hey, you you you dummy, you're probably gonna go right after or walk to it, and who knows what's gonna happen. But then when I stopped, they didn't move. So I went like this, went like this, I got closer, and I'm like, somebody put two bike reflectors on a tree as a joke. And it was in the woods. It wasn't like it was right up in the woods, it was in the back. You had to look. Yeah. And I'm and I'm first, you know, you're scared to death, and then I I walk toward it, and I see it's like two two red bike reflectors.

SPEAKER_01 42:14

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00 42:15

I don't know if I was relieved or or pissed. Yeah, somebody did that. But it for for one split, you know, a couple split seconds, I'm like, you gotta be kidding me.

SPEAKER_01 42:26

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 42:28

Yeah, and I told them about it and they laughed. I'm like, you wouldn't, you wouldn't have laughed if you saw it, you know.

SPEAKER_02 42:32

Yeah. Well, it's one of those things too. It's like it's it's kind of like, do you run away or do you like wait to see like what exactly it is? And you know, if the if uh Bigfoot actually does come out of the shadows and you know, is like, hey, what's up, you know?

SPEAKER_00 42:52

Well, I want to see it like like like the proof, proof to me would override, I think, fear. Unless if it's a dog man, you know, or windigun. No, I'm going the other way, okay. Yeah. But um I think the proof, because I I want proof before before we're done doing this, and uh just just one, one, one, one sighting is all I asked for. You know, and uh but yeah, I do replay that's in there. What would I do? Would I be scared? Would I run? Yeah, probably not probably not a big for Bigfoot, would I run? Um just too much, too much time and money invested in that.

SPEAKER_02 43:28

Right.

SPEAKER_00 43:29

Just to run away.

SPEAKER_02 43:30

To just throw away and just like not run and just like run away and just be like, oh man, I've been waiting my whole life for this, you know?

SPEAKER_03 43:39

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_02 43:41

Yeah. Oh wow, cool. Yes. Well, thank you so much for you know for coming on and everything. It was definitely a very um fascinating discussion. And um, and um, I know you said you're gonna go uh do a little bit of research um nearby on um someone's property or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 44:02

Hopefully, hopefully I might be finding out here uh you know soon. I mean I hope so. Uh I'm gonna I'm gonna try.

SPEAKER_01 44:09

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 44:10

And I know I know that it's kind of fairly not too far from where we live, which is good. You know um I like to connect the dots and you know maybe hey you can follow a pattern. Hey maybe they'll be seen here next. Uh-huh. It's kind of like a puzzle. A lot of this is kind of like detective work like a puzzle trying to put pieces of a puzzle together.

SPEAKER_02 44:27

Yeah. Yeah well maybe I'll have to have you excited yeah maybe have to have you back on again and like see if like you you find out anything else and you know yeah but I think um yeah this is definitely a very very fascinating discussion and it's always cool to um just see like you know just seeing the different perspectives of people that like research like cryptids, the paranormal and you know just to see like what their approach is and and I know like especially when I um interviewed the uh whispering souls uh paranormal investigators um one thing that they do is they first try to debunk you know something first like if they experience something or whatever they first try to debunk it with something that's like okay with like I guess would be considered like realistic or whatever. And then if like they can't you know realistically explain it, you know, it's um then they go, okay, you know, now let's let's get these other theories going which I think that's important too because you know you don't want to just like because you know because it's such you know like paranormal cryptids you know you know extraterrestrials things like that it's such you know it's like more people are talking about it now I think and more people I think are open to it. But it's still very like I don't know if taboo is the right word but it's still like not based in everyday I guess experiences. And if like people don't ex if it's not something someone's experiencing in their everyday life in their normal kind of mundane everyday life then it's just kind of like oh like that's that's nonsense that's BS or whatever. So I think it is important, you know, just for the sake of credibility to kind of take that you know like kind of like optimistic skeptic approach kind of thing. And then you know if if anything else kind of like you know when you thought you saw the red eyes and everything and you know it's like well you know what okay you know it I mean but but the fact that you know you admit okay that's what you know this is what it was what it actually was I think that only adds to your credibility because you didn't just run away with the fact that oh I saw three I saw red eyes in the woods you know and you know but but I think that that's important too though to to maintain that integrity especially in you know in this line of work that you know like I said I think more people are open to talking about now but um but it's still kind of like I I don't know like I said I don't know if taboo is the right word but like but it's still kind of like you know people are still like very very skeptical you know or are still very jaded or something. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:20

You you always you're right you always do have the uh have a skeptical eye and see what it is you know um we always like to say you know so you you believe that there may be a Sasquatch t tell me what you know what if events happen that you could think that and then if they start to you know give us some of the things we've heard repeatedly you know then they want us to come on their property or uh then it does lend more credibility. Most people won't uh kind of waste your time especially if they if they you can come on their property.

SPEAKER_02 47:56

Yeah they'll they'll hey you know there's a reason we want you here is can you find anything is it could there be something to it yeah again there's all those reports that we don't get which for all the groups not not just us for all the groups out there if they would get uh even half half of more of what they get there would we would be flooded with reports I mean I am sure of I mean yeah yeah but um but yeah but I think you know like I said it's um you know very I I'm always fascinated to talk to people that like you know research things like cryptids the paranormal and stuff like that because you know that that interests me as well so I definitely um appreciate you coming on and uh sitting down with me and uh talking about this and you know we are joined by the Mothman here for those watching the video version um um but but yeah but um so people again once one more time can find you on Facebook uh correct yes uh uh Center for Cryptozoological Studies and Center for Unexplained events or my personal page uh you know uh contact me at Brian Seach uh and also we will be Terry and I will be at the next cryptid panel which I believe April geez I forget um it's gonna be a cryptid slash something else panel but there's gonna be groups of teams it's a Bethel Park Library and I I think oh is it like the 14th or something like that or 7th again uh I'm sure it'll be advertised you know yeah yeah we'll be talking about if you anyone wants to you know see us and all the other great panelists I don't know who else is all gonna be on there yet but uh uh it's gonna be fun and um the one thing you do have to do is you know when you're doing this be out with the right people keep a skeptical eye oh and enjoy here's the thing we tell people especially if you're going out in the woods enjoy the woods okay enjoy that's what's number one important uh if you go out there expecting evidence every time you're gonna be disappointed probably 95% of the time or more it's just on those rare occasions yeah just enjoy the fact that you can get out there and you know that we still have woods that aren't contaminated or uh you know yeah so just enjoy that we always say enjoy the search enjoy nature first and then whatever comes yeah I agree awesome well thank you so much Ryan for coming on and yeah maybe we'll have you on again and you know see what some of your new findings are and all that stuff but yes I'll leave um I'll leave the link to your um Facebook and stuff like in the description and and everything and for to all your cryptid research and uh yeah and stay tuned for uh the next like cryptids panel that uh Brian will be uh speaking on and yeah but you know I'd love to know like your thoughts on uh cryptids uh my listeners and everything and um which cryptid fascinates you the most um yeah for me it's hard to choose because they all have their own really cool just very mysterious qualities that uh that uh really just uh draws me and everything and the fact that they're all so unique too it's uh like they and and they all seem to have their own personalities and I think that that's really what fascinates me too but um but yeah but definitely um check out uh Brian's um what is it called the uh cryptid uh research center a center for cryptozoological studies yeah yeah I was close I was close I got I was close but yes definitely check that out check out Brian's work and thank you everybody for listening thank you again Brian for coming on and thanks for having me yes yes you're welcome and to everybody out there my listeners uh make sure that as always you stay safe stay fierce but of course stay spooky all right thank you so much bye