A CHAT WITH FILMMAKER AND DIFFORD-VERSE CREATOR, MATT JEFFERSON

In this episode of the After Hours Chats podcast I sit down with filmmaker and longtime friend, Matt Jefferson.
Matt is also the creator of the Difford-verse films (which I am in!).
so join us as we discuss filmmaking, being in a haunted park, and delve a little into the supernatural!

And give him a follow at @nds_jefferson


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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:18

Well, hey there, and welcome to another episode of the After Hours Chats podcast. And um, we're here after hours in this kind of, well, not really after hours, but uh but we're still hanging out here in this kind of uh creepy, uh kind of haunted uh park, um North Park it's called, and um it's actually home to one of the what's said to be one of the most haunted roads in Pennsylvania, which we will be exploring um in a future vlog um after this one. But I'm here with um a longtime friend of mine, um filmmaker uh Matt Jefferson. I have been in a couple of his films, um, including The Downfall of Mr. Difford, which is becoming kind of like its own little franchise and everything. Um there's going to be uh more Diffordverse um films coming out. I was in the first downfall of Mr. Difford, then I was also in A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing, which is also Difford Verse. Um, but we're going to talk to Matt a little bit about um his films and um I don't know, maybe get into a little bit more stuff. So, all right, well, just tell us a little bit about yourself. I mean, I know you, but for anybody else that may not.

SPEAKER_00 1:37

Hello, I am Matt Jefferson. I know my name because that's what's written uh on my birth certificate. I'm trying to start.

SPEAKER_03 1:45

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

I I originally wanted to be like a uh a comic book artist. And I I basically when I started, I drew a lot, and somehow I discovered makeup effects. And as you can see right here, you can you can obviously see that I I was heavily fascinated with special makeup effects and creating monsters. So that's where my original uh career wanted to be was basically just doing effects. Yeah. And I got bit by the uh the directing bug. And so I started making my own stuff, but mostly I've been working on other people's stuff as well. Uh we worked with Travis Bowen.

SPEAKER_02 2:25

We did, yes. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 2:27

Uh a friend of mine, uh, Greg Cupen.

SPEAKER_02 2:30

Yes, yes, I remember Greg, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:33

And and basically I've been throughout years been doing short films. Uh the only feature right now that I have done was different. But I also had worked on other feature films as well, either behind the scenes or just acting in them. But uh I've I I've been doing this um God uh probably 2006. But as for making short films and everything else, it would basically just be as childhood because I started out with uh family members and friends of doing home movies and it just took off. Never thought that I would ever want to do it, but it's it's been part of my life since then.

SPEAKER_02 3:15

Yeah, yeah, cool. And like these are some of your creations. Um most of them have been were used in the movie uh The Downfall of Mr. Difford. So, how did the concept of like Difford come about?

SPEAKER_00 3:28

Okay, so I was looking at all I started getting interested in all these underground horror films that you would see being made in Ohio, Pittsburgh, or anywhere else. Yeah. Uh I had seen uh Russian filmmakers um Vision of Suffering. Uh it's no longer what it used to be, but um, because it's been heavily edited by the filmmaker. But I was looking at that, I was looking at uh Fred Vogel's August Underground, and I was like, you know, I could actually do something like that where it's just push the envelope of gore and whatnot. And the original when I thought, okay, I'm gonna what would be an easy thing to do is like a psychological thing that I was dared to do um by Greg was you've always made monsters and whatnot. Right. Try to do a psychological killer and whatnot. So it was like that's where that came from. And so Difford was there, but he didn't have a name. I basically just had it as like, okay, here's a killer, he's gonna be a doctor, and he's gonna be dissecting people.

unknown 4:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:28

And that was basically the that was the idea. That was the concrete idea. And there was no you you never got to see in the original ten pages, you never got to see the detectives. Yeah, he wasn't in an interrogation room, he was just basically gonna tell these stories, and it would just go off into segments of him killing people. And that was the original idea. Yeah. But it was gonna be very toned down and just gore in your face. Right. But when I came down to writing the 10 the original 10 pages, um it was like I got nothing here. It was like it was like it feels soulless. So I then started incorporating uh the detectives, Vic and Gordon. Uh the names came from an early short film where I stole those names from of my my own work. Yeah. But I incorporated them, I incorporated other characters, I incorporated your character. Yeah. Your your character is actually funny because you're I I thought, here's a character that basically is going to uh not want to do anything that differed once. Yes. But the only thing that is like, okay, you're pointing a gun at me.

SPEAKER_02 5:31

Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:32

But um, yeah. When I finally I started writing in 2010.

SPEAKER_01 5:38

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 5:38

I didn't get the final draft until 2012. Yeah. We're supposed to start filming in late 2013, but it didn't happen in 2014 when we finally got the interrogation uh room.

SPEAKER_02 5:52

Yeah, there you yeah, the yeah, there you go. But yeah, location is sometimes like, you know, that that's that's everything. And um, yeah, and like speaking of um having to get the interrogation room, um, what challenges uh were faced making it? Because I was on the set for my you know for my part, but like what about you know the rest of it, you know?

SPEAKER_00 6:15

Uh my fri uh the actor uh and friend uh Jason Fuller, he basically said, I had I know somebody who who could get us into a uh his his job where they could at least let us film in a in a room. And it basically was a church. A really big huge church with multiple rooms. There was like three altars, and I was like, I just wanted to film in one little room that has nothing that had nothing to do with it. I should have milked it and had it.

SPEAKER_02 6:44

I was gonna say that would have been such cool footage there, especially if they were letting you film.

SPEAKER_00 6:49

Yeah, well, that's the thing. We were snuck in.

SPEAKER_02 6:52

Oh, okay. Because at one girl filmmaking at its finest. There you go.

SPEAKER_00 6:58

At one point, we were done filming during the summer, and it was in the final day of that room because what happened was I I had a shirt on, but they could still somebody could still see the fake blood on me for the white shirt button-up shirt. And they got us kicked out of that room.

SPEAKER_01 7:19

Oh no.

SPEAKER_00 7:20

Some little ladies had scenes like, he's got blood on shirt. He's like, that's just ketchup. He's a messy eater.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

There you go. But uh hey, if you ever need an excuse if you're filming a horror movie or hey, or even a crime drama where somebody, you know, gets gets killed. But yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:38

But luckily, they've uh we were we were told by the guy, uh, he's also in the movie Dave Dirch, he has a scene in it too. He's in the Happy Campers segment. But we were told, okay, we're allowed back in. We can't film in that room. It's like, oh, that's gonna be very awkward. Uh-oh. But uh the room that we were gonna film is like a third floor and it was gonna be 90 degrees up there. This is during summertime, like July of 2014.

SPEAKER_01 8:05

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 8:06

And if anyone who watches differed, uh when we switched locations, you can tell that we switched locations because in the script there it was supposed to stay in one interrogation room, but uh we were supposed to have uh I like I can't think it was like how how do we switch locations and not make it look dumb for the audience to say is that's not the same location. So I said, we're gonna add a scene. There you go. And where Dr. Arnold says, can we move the patient to a different room? That's basically it. That was the only my my savior for that.

SPEAKER_01 8:37

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 8:38

And it kind of worked. Nobody questioned it, which I'm surprised by.

SPEAKER_01 8:41

Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_00 8:42

Out of all the things in that movie, it was like that nobody questions that shit.

SPEAKER_01 8:45

There you go.

SPEAKER_00 8:47

But that's funny. Yeah, it was like we finished it, but it was like when you watch different, you could see my arm completely dripping fake blood because I'm sweating to death. You can see the other actors, uh David, not David, but uh Jason and Eric all sweating to death up there.

SPEAKER_01 9:03

Oh no.

SPEAKER_00 9:05

And luckily Jason had brought in this high-powered fan. Yeah. But the only sad part is we couldn't have that fan on because it was too loud, so we had to turn it off for sound. Yeah. And you were dying in that room.

SPEAKER_02 9:14

And you're dying, yeah. So it's like every time somebody yells cut, the director yells cut, it's like, turn the fan on.

SPEAKER_00 9:23

No, it was literally like that. I said I was like, all right, cut, fan.

SPEAKER_02 9:27

Yeah, yeah. Like, let's cool off for a moment.

SPEAKER_00 9:31

Sometimes I'd be standing in front of it, just like, I can't move. I was I'm I I'm covered in fake blood and I'm sticky all over.

SPEAKER_02 9:39

Oh man. Yeah. So, but that that definitely sounds like it was definitely quite a time. But that's kind of cool though, because like, you know, you have those like cool memories from making it. And that's you know, in a way, that's kind of like what makes it fun, and how you have like those really interesting and fun behind-the-scenes stories to tell.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

Oh, yeah, definitely. It was like there's there's so many stories. Um I I I think one uh that note uh that never gets talked about was the uh the happy campers, where it was a nightmare we lost the actor. He he he called no showed twice on two different film dates. And so we had to replace him. We had a backup.

SPEAKER_02 10:17

That's good. That's good, yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 10:20

But um but nobody notices it, but uh there's only one way that when you're watching the movie, is like when you notice it, you can uh you can hear by the crickets.

SPEAKER_02 10:29

Yeah. Oh goodness. But um some of these monsters, uh, these are your creations. Um really, really cool. And um they do make an appearance in uh Difford. So yeah, tell tell a little bit about these guys.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

Okay, so during during Difford's uh acid uh trip nightmare, he sees this thing in it. Uh it appears in in his uh his acid uh trip twice.

SPEAKER_01 11:00

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 11:00

It kind of stalks him, but it's supposed to lead into the different stages of his hell.

SPEAKER_01 11:05

Right, okay.

SPEAKER_00 11:06

And uh this is like and and this thing, uh this is a character, no name unfortunately, but it's one of Difford's victims. It's it's in the uh the the final uh uh Difford's acid trip, yeah. Where uh the this character is supposed to speak to him and all his victims start rising up. I kind of was influenced by uh two different movies, uh Maniac and um Night Flyer. Okay. Where uh the dead rise up and they start trying to attack either the villain or the protagonist, and they start hacking them up and whatnot. And I thought, well, I'm gonna do something similar, but in a very low budget sense. So that's what I did with with that scene. And I I get uh for that whole segment, I get praise like crazy.

SPEAKER_02 11:55

Yeah, yeah. Wow, very cool.

SPEAKER_00 11:58

And uh this is Difford's brain.

SPEAKER_02 12:01

Yeah, look at that. Yeah, if you're uh watching that mushroom. Yeah, if you're watching uh the video version, uh you'll see it. If you're listening to the audio version, then go to the YouTube channel or Apple iTunes and um see the, you'll get to see it on the video version um on um Apple or uh YouTube. So all right, and um so uh Difford has a bunch of like kind of very trippy and maybe a little bit of paranormal experiences. So have you in real life ever had a paranormal experience?

SPEAKER_00 12:37

Uh lots. I I actually had dealt with a lot uh um as a kid, and this is no lie, it's like all these stories are actually true.

SPEAKER_01 12:46

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 12:46

Um my cousin, when we were young, basically said, Hey, the parents are out. Let's bring out the Ouija board. It's like, I don't know what that is, but sure.

SPEAKER_01 12:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:57

And um I don't remember the main details of it because I was way too young. Yeah. Memory issues. So basically we uh we unearthed something. There was green lighting in the uh the out backyard. Oh, wow. And we stopped, but the only sad part is we never said goodbye. And you're supposed to say goodbye.

SPEAKER_02 13:21

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

We never said goodbye in a Ouija board. That's that's a big no no. That's a big no. Everybody's probably listening to this or watching it going, oh, you guys are idiots. It's like I didn't know. I didn't know the rules, I was too young. Yeah. But um, and and ever since then, I actually always feel a presence uh like always lurking around me. Not like a like in a not in a cursive way, not like uh it is harmful, but it's like it's always there to uh remind me. It's like, hey, I'm over here.

SPEAKER_02 13:51

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you'll always want to close the door before you know it's too late now, but so something's attached to me. Uh-oh. I was gonna say get out the frankincense, Palo Sano, all that stuff. But yeah. Oh man. So um, but yeah, like uh, but when but like have you had like any anything where you know you felt like like say whether it's that that presence or whatever, like have like have you had like any specific uh anything, like them do anything specific, or is it just there?

SPEAKER_00 14:27

I remember uh I remember basically one time uh and it was at work, we were pounding the uh the state snow stakes in. These are like metal snow stakes in. You had to use one of those um the those uh uh uh is a road uh I don't know what the uh the frame is, but you're supposed to put it over the um the peg and sort of slamming it into the ground.

SPEAKER_01 14:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:52

And if the ground isn't frozen, it makes it worse. No, no, I uh sorry, my mistake. If the ground is frozen, it makes it worse. Yeah. But um, I remember uh my my coworkers were basically uh uh slacking where I started realizing like, oh, they're having me do it all.

SPEAKER_01 15:08

Oh man.

SPEAKER_00 15:09

And then it's like I was starting to get fed up, and then one of them said, Okay, finally, it was like here, you do it. And then uh I just started feeling like weird chills and whatnot, and then uh he goes and one of the guys goes to do it, and the entire handles break on the uh the contraption, and they had to re-weld it.

SPEAKER_01 15:26

Oh man.

SPEAKER_00 15:27

So yeah, something like that. Um I've had uh like uh ghost moments where I went and visited a friend and their TV would turn on. Oh for no onto the snow channel for no apparent reason, and basically it it it uh I was like, I go to turn it off, turn back on, it was like okay. Either somebody has a remote control messing with me. Right, yeah. Or um, you know, uh so I did it one more time, I looked for the remote, I put it down, I was like, okay, it turns back on.

SPEAKER_03 16:02

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00 16:02

So I was like, for the that third time I was like, all right, I'm unplugging the TV. Now if it turns back on, I'm leaving. It didn't turn back on.

SPEAKER_02 16:11

It didn't turn back on, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:13

So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:14

Well, I know sometimes um if the battery's low in the remote, sometimes that can mess with the TV a little bit, you know. Um so but but I if there I mean but if those were fresh batteries in the remote, you know, I mean, yeah, it's possible. So I I was told they were. Oh, okay. Oh gosh. So um now, you know, I've been exploring a lot of like the you know, urban legend encrypted and all that stuff most recently. Um I went to Point Pleasant, West Virginia, um on a like a little Mothman adventure. But I know because you're from Ohio, Ohio has its dog man. Yes. Have you ever heard heard of any of those urban legends?

SPEAKER_00 16:58

I've heard a few, but the only thing is I I I try, I for me, and everyone's gonna laugh who listens to this, is like I really don't pay attention that much to the cryptids and whatnot. Uh-huh. But it's like if if anyone's like, here, read this and I'll actually check it out. Uh-huh. But it's like the the number one cryptid I always thought was interesting was Mothman. Right, yeah. Yeah. Because you don't know as like when Mothman appears, something always happens.

SPEAKER_02 17:21

Yeah, it's almost like he's like he's an omen. Like he's like a warning, like warning you about something. Um, whereas I don't know, some of these other cryptids, they're just like like dogman. He just seems just mean, you know, you know, like all the stuff that I've read up on on him.

SPEAKER_00 17:39

So and it's weird because when you start looking into Ohio's lore, yeah, there's so many. There's a lot, yes. And I I couldn't even believe it. I was like, why is there so many cryptids? Not only cryptids, but bizarre things that are happening. Yeah. It was like so many haunted houses, so many things. We even have the uh the six points.

SPEAKER_02 17:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 17:59

So yeah, it's it's very weird.

SPEAKER_02 18:01

Yeah, oh yeah. And well, it's like it just seems like this um just this whole general area, like Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, it's like this whole, like that, that tri-state. Like it's just it's like it just seems like it just has just this, like it's steeped in a lot of like urban myth and lore and you know, and I don't know, I don't think they're they're myths. I do, I mean, because enough credible people have seen these things, you know, to where, you know, it does kind of, you know, it it begs the question, it's like, okay, but you know, where do they come from? Are they interdimensional, you know, extraterrestrial, you know? Uh, what are your thoughts?

SPEAKER_00 18:38

For me, it could be a mix of both. Because it was like we don't know we we may think we know everything, but we don't.

SPEAKER_02 18:46

We really don't. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:47

Granted, we are stuck in a reality where it's just like uh everyone's like, oh, magic doesn't exist, but it's like I make the different because there's like some weird divine interventions that I have seen. Oh, yeah. And not only just me, but it is like everyone, you know, including the viewers and whatnot. But I actually believe all that stuff. So it's like either it's from space or it's somewhere on this planet, yeah, or uh multiverses or anything. It's like it could be honestly the the as long as you keep an open mind about it, it's like yeah, where you know, uh where you could have reality and and and uh still be a believer of it. You know, because it's like if you tell this to anyone, uh any normal person, they'll be like, you're crazy.

SPEAKER_01 19:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:31

But no, I it uh for for me, it's like for you know, I'm 42 right now. Anyone who watches this 10 years later, he's like, he's no longer 42. But um I believe, you know, that I I that exists and you know it's it's only a matter of time where um that fourth wall was broken.

SPEAKER_02 19:56

Yeah, yeah. No, I hear yeah. I I I agree because I just think, especially in the last couple of years, there's just been like something of a shift, you know.

SPEAKER_03 20:07

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:08

And there's, you know, and it's just like in you know, when you think about time, you know, and to me, I think like the man-made time that we have, like especially this Gregorian calendar, is kind of a trap in a way.

SPEAKER_03 20:24

It kind of is.

SPEAKER_02 20:24

It really is, yes. Well, I mean, uh one of the main reasons why they wanted to put that into place in the place of like the Julian calendar, was you know, basically to remind people of, you know, tax season. So it was all about taxes, it was all, you know, and it was all about, you know, all of that fun stuff. But um, but yeah, but that because there is this, um, there is that running joke, and um I forget the exact uh dates, but I think it was something like um when they made the switch from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar, it was like, okay, everybody went to bed. I think it's uh, you know, uh I I'm sorry if I get this wrong, but it's like, you know, they they went to bed on October 3rd and woke up on like October like 13th or 15th or something like that. And you know, and that tells you, you know, time, you know, like what we you know, what a lot of humans uh perceive as time. I mean, it it's a it's an illusion, you know, and you know, and because uh we're supposed to be in alignment with with the cycles, with the seasons, and you know, we're not supposed to be running on this, you know, because I I mean personally, like starting a new year in the dead of winter on January 1st is like probably the dumbest idea.

SPEAKER_00 21:48

I agree with that, you know.

SPEAKER_02 21:50

It really is, you know, because you know, I mean, because and this is why, you know, nobody can stick to their new year's resolutions, you know, or at least most people cannot, because You're not meant to be like starting something brand new in the dead of winter, like because that's when everything else is hibernating. Now, of course, that doesn't mean be, you know, just like, you know, be lazy or anything like that. But, you know, because, you know, I mean, and I st I still work on some creative projects in the wintertime, but for me, winter is mostly just plant, you know, just kind of getting some ideas and like finishing up what I might still need to finish before starting the next steps and just starting to think about, okay, planting the seeds for springtime, because originally um the new year was like most um ancients consider the new year to be in the springtime. And fun fact, the Ethiopian calendar, if you go to Ethiopia, most of them are using a calendar that is get guess what year?

SPEAKER_03 22:54

What?

SPEAKER_02 22:54

2018. And here's the thing though, too, and you can even look that up too, because I did look that up before saying it, because I didn't want to give like wrong information or anything like that. But like, but even if you, you know, uh, you know, because if you look at like like the Ethiopian calendar, like 20, they're running on a 28, like a calendar that's in the year 2018. Um, and they run on a calendar that's more similar to the Julian calendar, too. So it's uh really, like I said, really interesting how you know, when you look at time, I mean, even with daylight savings, you know, the fact that we can even have the discussion of, you know, should we or shouldn't we, that alone tells you, okay, what most perceive as time, you know, isn't is is actually is it even real?

SPEAKER_00 23:52

You know, and I uh sorry for interrupting. Um it's almost like uh look at the Mayan calendar.

SPEAKER_01 23:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:59

That when everyone thought, oh, when the Mayan Mayan calendar is done, that's the end of the world.

SPEAKER_02 24:05

Right.

SPEAKER_00 24:06

And we're still here.

SPEAKER_02 24:08

Right. Well, a lot of people think that was more symbolic. Like the Mayan calendar, it was going to, I mean, now of course you have to keep in mind too, uh, there was a lot of changing of the calendar since you know, since the Mayans, you know, wrote that calendar. And other people actually think that it was more symbolic, like it was going to be like the like you were going to see the end of an era, and that's what was going to be no more.

SPEAKER_00 24:35

Actually, that probably would make better sense, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:37

Yeah, as opposed to, oh, this big like Armageddon destruction and everything, which I think um a lot of people took way too seriously. A lot of people took that way too seriously. And and that's a thing though, too. It like and and stuff like that makes you live in fear. And when and I am of the belief that, you know, where your attention goes, energy flows. So if you're constantly living in fear and you know, you're just constantly just, you know, looking for the absolute worst things to happen, I mean, uh that's what you will perceive, you know, and that's what I mean, you know, and that's what uh you'll that's like the kind of reality that you'll end up living in. Because I mean, and I don't know if you've noticed this, but sometimes it's like I swear, people are living in completely different realities from each other because you'll you'll see one person talking about how like you know everything is just like their account of one thing is like is like absolutely terrible, and then somebody else's account of like literally the same exact event is like actually no, that's not what happened. This is what happened. And meanwhile, they were both there.

SPEAKER_00 25:45

No, I know what you mean. You know, yeah. Um I for me when I see people like um even religions where they're like they they count down to oh, this is the end of you know everything. And it was like why do you want why do you die? Why do you don't you want to live? Don't you want uh the next generations to carry on? Don't you want to evolve?

SPEAKER_02 26:06

Evolve, exactly. Well, I do think too, because um I came across um a couple of um videos on uh Instagram the other day about how you know a lot of what like a lot of like what we perceive as time and what we've been offered as the calendar and time and per se even perception of age and all that stuff, like that's there to trap you, you know.

SPEAKER_00 26:34

Oh yeah. So if if uh let's see, I've seen people who are 90 move pretty quick.

SPEAKER_01 26:42

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:42

And then there are other people who are 60 and act like they're 90.

SPEAKER_02 26:46

They're 90, yes.

SPEAKER_00 26:47

I I have a friend who's but around my age, he thinks he's an old man and he acts like it. Yeah, it's like I maturity wise, it's like I young and surprise.

SPEAKER_02 26:58

Yeah, pretty much. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:01

And yeah, it's the way how you perceive everything, and I agree with that. Yeah, and and I think that if people, you know, took time, yeah, and you know, it was like meditate. Yes, and that would actually help them because it's like because time could either go real fast or you could slow it down. It's basically how you look at it.

SPEAKER_02 27:24

Yeah, oh yeah, and then there's also the perception that you know past, present, and future is kind of happening all around us, you know, and that's where you really start to get like a little bit like on the trippier side and everything, like with portals and things like that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:43

Um uh very funny thing, slightly off topic, the same. Um when I used to work for a cemetery, I basically have been accused of being a vampire. Woo! Yeah, when I told him my age, he looked at me like, really? Uh-huh. You're not that age. It's like, no, I I really am. You look like you're in your 20s. It's like, no, I'm I'm not. And and they're like, you're a freaking vampire. I was like, no, why would I'm out in the sun? It was like, I've seen Blade. It's like, oh my god. But yeah, it was like it's it's it's mind over matter.

SPEAKER_02 28:17

Yes, absolutely. I, you know, I a hundred percent agree in everything. And um, but what is um what urban legend or uh paranormal um event like fascinates you the most?

SPEAKER_00 28:32

It's always been the creatures for me. Um a recent urban legend I heard was Yeah and it was it's a real easy one. And it's the uh the the the guy who the somebody the slasher who hides underneath your car to slice your egg. Oh that's crazy. I think that's I think that's frightening. That is who could fit underneath a car, especially if it's low. That's why I wear boots for the most part. I don't, I should. Yes. But I think that's horrifying. It's like who can who could sneak under there, crawl under there, and just holding a knife and just sli. That is the to me, that's the most modern freak out I've ever heard.

SPEAKER_01 29:12

Yeah, oh gosh.

SPEAKER_00 29:13

Because I got it's like I could say it's like you're your didn't crawl as soon as I mentioned it. Mine too, because it's like if they touch your Achilles heel, it's it's it's game over.

SPEAKER_02 29:21

Well, plus with like my ankle injury that I had recently. Anything with my ankle. No, it's okay, no, anything with my ankle. I'm like, ah, I'm sorry, but no, you're fine.

SPEAKER_00 29:31

I was like, thanks, Matt, you brought up trauma for me.

SPEAKER_02 29:33

No, you're no no no, no, but that's you know, no, I I I wear boots and everything, so for the most part. But um, but yeah, but like um, yeah, there there's so many. Um but I don't know. I I find the whole like Resurrection Mary um urban legend very cool and interesting.

SPEAKER_00 29:55

I'm not familiar with that one.

SPEAKER_02 29:57

Oh, okay. So uh basically Resurrection Mary, um she uh she's basically a ghost of uh of a woman who uh came home who she was on her way home from the dance, from from like a dance. And it was like this was like maybe back in the 1930s.

SPEAKER_00 30:13

I was gonna say it's 50s, I am so wrong.

SPEAKER_02 30:15

I think it was 1930s. It might may have been, but it was like it was definitely like 1950s or sooner. But um, but like uh but she was on her way home from the dance, and um she ended up getting hit by like a it was like a hit and run accident. And um and basically um it said that like her um you know her like her ghost will appear on the on the um area where she was hit. Now here is um you know where like the uh urban legend also kind of like thickens a little bit. Well, this young man like met this uh woman who was, you know, you know, very you know, she was you know attractive and she she kind of seemed otherworldly, and um, and they were at a dance, like at like a local like dance social, and you know, they they danced all night and um he offered to uh take her home. And so when she um so when he uh was driving her home, he she said, you know, hey, can you drop me off here at this at this corner? Okay, so he did. And you know, and then he um he asked um and then he asked her, like, you know, hey, can I can I call you? Like what's your you know, what's your name? Where do you live? And like and and I think she told him um like you know where she lived and everything. Yeah. And so she gets out of the car and you know, and he's you know, so he wants to see her again. And uh, you know, she kind of disappears into the night. And so when she um so basically um after she disappears, he goes home. And um, I think it's like a day or two, like a couple days later, uh, he goes to um to visit the place where uh she where she said she lived. So he knocks on the door and um and this you know older woman answers the door and um and he asks about um because you know the woman's name was Mary. So he asks, you know, the uh the older woman, hey, you know, uh I'm looking for Mary, um, because he assumes like that's you know it's her mom. And um, and so he goes, you know, hey, I'm looking for Mary. And then she, and then the mom says, you know, there's no one, there's no Mary here. So and then she closes the door, and you know, and she kind of got, you know, kind of weird, you know, too, when he uh asked her, you know, about Mary. And um, and so he then he goes back like I think it's like a like a day or two later and knocks on the door and he said, you know, hey, I met this really great girl, Mary, um and she said she lives here. And then over the old the you know, the older woman's shoulder, he says uh he sees a picture of the woman, he goes, that's her. And and and she goes, like, you know, he's like, Yeah, he and she goes, she's like, who like her, like what what do you mean? And um, and then he goes, I I met her, we we met at a dance, and you know, she and I I I'd like to see her if that's okay. And then he and then he goes, um, and then the then the mom goes, um basically says, Yes, that is my daughter Mary, but you know, but she died, you know, many years ago. She was hit by a car, and you know, and so that's you know, another story behind the whole resurrection Mary.

SPEAKER_00 33:46

I would have been basically saying, I am sorry for your loss. Yeah, I'll go now. And then as soon as uh they shut the door, like I'm going to have a breakdown and talk to a shrimp because I would have been freaked out, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 34:02

Uh-huh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:04

But no, that that I I can see that actually happened.

SPEAKER_03 34:10

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 34:11

Yeah, it it's definitely it's one of those, you know, like I said, it's it's one that's kind of like fascinated me. Um then there's like like several of them uh where um you know like there's like like a hook on you hear like scraping on your like door and like you know yeah yeah, and like and you see like a hook on the on the handle and there's like an escaped convict with like a hook for a hand and everything. Yeah, so it's yeah, just those those things, you know, and and you know, the Blue Mist Road, which is like very close to here, uh, which uh we will be visiting. Um I'm doing my Haunted Roads of Pennsylvania little tour um as per uh Tony uh Lavorna's uh Haunted Roads of Pennsylvania book. He gave me his blessing to visit all of the all of all of the roads and everything that um that he covered in the book. So and Irwin Road, where we where we're very close to right now, is one of them. So I figured, yeah, let's let's start there. So yeah, cool.

SPEAKER_00 35:16

Adventure.

SPEAKER_02 35:16

Yes, adventure. So do are there any haunted roads that you know of in um Ohio?

SPEAKER_00 35:22

No, but uh it was like they they always go for the uh I where we're usually at. I'm sure there's everywhere in the country and whatnot, but uh crossroads. Okay where you're supposed to like if you make an offering, never look back.

SPEAKER_03 35:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:36

Don't if anyone answers your name, don't you know, don't answer them. Yeah, yeah. If you're offering them something for a wish or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 35:43

Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:44

But yeah, that that's something right there. Um God, I'm trying to think of if there's any roads. I'm sure there are in Ohio. I just I I really don't, I would have to actually read up on it. Yeah. Oh, um where I I just remembered something. There is a haunted uh place. And you were at it. Oh, which one? Um where Jason Fuller used to live, the refilled Mr. Difford your scene.

SPEAKER_03 36:09

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 36:09

Uh right behind that uh, not just on the property itself of that apartment, uh, but also behind it in those woods, that's actually uh considered to be haunted.

SPEAKER_02 36:21

Oh, in the woods.

SPEAKER_00 36:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:23

Do you know what? Um, like with what or what happened or anything?

SPEAKER_00 36:28

There's like different stories. There's uh people walking around supposed to be ghosts, but also it was like there's the the uh the supposed uh uh bury uh Indian burial ground. Right, okay. Stuff like that. I mean it was like I could always send you the uh uh link in the story of it, but it's like yeah, when I found out about that uh that that area is haunted, it's like, oh nice, we actually filmed it.

SPEAKER_02 36:52

We filmed in a haunted place. Cool, yeah. Very cool. So, but yeah, but like, but what's um what's coming up next in the Difford Verse?

SPEAKER_00 37:01

Um Right, actually, uh uh there was another uh it was a short film that you were in. Uh All Hell of the Unknown is actually in the Differed Verse.

SPEAKER_02 37:10

Oh, I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_00 37:12

Oh yeah. Uh it uh in the dialogue between some of the characters, they actually mention Winsterville.

SPEAKER_03 37:18

Oh, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 37:20

And I I put that in the script because it's supposed to be like a uh like a side thing. It was like uh it's a town over, but it's supposed to be linked up to different oh cool. Uh and there there will be more links between both Difford and All Hail the Unknown uh in the future and whatnot.

SPEAKER_02 37:37

Nice, yeah, yeah, very cool. Yeah, because I I had a lot of fun with my character and I'll hail the unknown. That's yeah, yeah, very cool. So yeah, or there's definitely there's gonna be more uh Difford films.

SPEAKER_00 37:49

Different films, uh other and other projects and whatnot. I'm also working on an art book where it's supposed to showcase all my uh my my my artistry from uh from basically my old art to current art and a few future art that I had drawn, like at least 10 pieces of art that I had just did recently. They're digital, but yeah. Uh I haven't posted them. Nobody knows, only a selective few know. Yeah. But I at least I showed you so far I showed you the the book of the cover.

SPEAKER_02 38:22

Yes, yes cover, sorry. Yeah, yeah, and you're um for those watching the video version, uh you're wearing one of your shirts with one of your with some of your art on it.

SPEAKER_00 38:32

I don't know if anyone maybe.

SPEAKER_02 38:34

Well, we'll we'll brighten it, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:37

Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_02 38:39

This is what it looks like, yes. Yeah, very cool. And um, where can people like follow you and um see like what you've got going on?

SPEAKER_00 38:48

Uh right now I'm just surviving work for 12 hours. But yeah, uh from the art book, I'm gonna be also be uh working on a few other movies. I still have to get a short film edited and and completed. Yeah. Um I also want to get uh my older movies uh to a distribution where they're much more wider uh release compared to me just selling it myself because you know that it would actually help out better. Because it's been a few years. I think I could part with a few of these.

SPEAKER_02 39:19

You can part with a few, I think you can, yeah. Especially um, you know, and I think like having the screening of different and all that stuff and having the you know, people have the good reaction to it, you know. You had, you know, I I I I think you know, yeah, you you can you can part with, you know, a couple of them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:39

Well it was like I kept thinking um I have a bunch of short films, I have one feature film. Yeah. That would actually make one hell kind of a box set. Yeah. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 39:49

Absolutely, yeah. I mean, because we we just had um The Girl Two get like get distributed and picked up and everything.

SPEAKER_00 39:57

Supposedly one is supposed to come out too, but I don't know when. They no one's told me anything. I'm left in the dark on that one.

SPEAKER_02 40:03

Yeah, because we're both in that movie. And also um Midnight Massacre. Uh did that didn't did you you said that that got that got picked up, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:13

It it's kind of been in talks with getting picked up, but it's still it's kinda it's in a very rough final cut. Right. But there's a few things that they have to uh uh fix with not just with um slight audio but uh music and a few scenes that need put back in.

SPEAKER_02 40:31

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:32

So that was oh my god, that was a that was a that was that was a movie.

SPEAKER_02 40:37

Yes, yeah. But it got done, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:40

It did. It was like because I remember I was asked to help out with the editing. I was like, well, why am I being brought on? It was like, because you'll I've seen you get your stuff done quick, so maybe you could help. So I I was basically the the enforcer, yeah, the referee of between both editor and director. And I'm there in the middle just trying to get them both to get the project done.

SPEAKER_02 41:05

Get it done. Luckily it was done.

SPEAKER_00 41:06

There was a there was a premiere of it at a theater. Uh movies 8, unfortunately, no longer with us.

SPEAKER_02 41:12

I know, that's so sad. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:14

And um I'm just glad that a few people seen it and and hopefully down the road, whether if it uh Travis releases it himself or it gets picked up. Yeah, I think he would rather get it picked up. I don't think he wants to deal with that. But um I'm hoping at least if it's not this year, hopefully next year I'll see an actual physical release. Yes. That's my guess. Don't hold it to it, don't hold me to it, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_02 41:42

Yeah, yeah. So yeah, because uh yeah, we're both also in uh Midnight Massacre. So yes, cool. All right. So um, and where can people find you? Like on the socials, yes.

SPEAKER_00 42:00

But uh I'm on Facebook, Matt Jefferson. Um you can find NDS films on there as well, the like page, but it's easy to find me.

SPEAKER_03 42:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:10

Um, I'm also on Instagram, uh NDS underscore Jefferson. I'm also on YouTube. Uh look up Mr. Difford, you'll uh you'll find the trailer and whatnot, but then you'll could subscribe to the channel because I think it's Madman MJ something.

unknown 42:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:27

I don't even remember what it is. It's old.

SPEAKER_01 42:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:30

I think it's from 90, uh not 98, uh uh 2008. I think that's how old it is.

SPEAKER_01 42:36

Your Instagram, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:37

So no, no, the uh the YouTube channel.

SPEAKER_01 42:39

YouTube channel. Yeah, what about your Instagram?

SPEAKER_00 42:41

Uh the Instagram, I think it was uh I think it I said it was NDS underscore Jefferson.

SPEAKER_02 42:46

Oh Jefferson, okay.

SPEAKER_00 42:49

It's easy to find.

SPEAKER_02 42:50

Yes. All right, cool. Well, well, thank you so much for like sitting down. And hopefully this will be the first of uh a couple uh discussions on the different verse and like indie filmmaking and all that stuff, and uh stories about how you had to sneak into a location and got kicked out, and those are some of the best stories, though, you know.

SPEAKER_00 43:14

Not too many people know that. It was like got snuck into a uh a big a big building that's a church, multiple churches all in one, and you're filming in one single room, and then they catch you because they saw blood on you. They're like, hey, what's going on here?

SPEAKER_02 43:33

Oh man. I'm just a messy eater. There you go.

SPEAKER_00 43:37

That's the only excuse. I didn't I wish I had said that to them, but it was like I unfortunately I don't. But it's a funny story to say it now.

SPEAKER_02 43:43

Yeah, yeah. Oh goodness. All right. Well, thank you so much. And uh thank you uh everybody uh for listening. And be sure to uh check out Matt's stuff. And you know, and I also have the uh did you want to say something else?

SPEAKER_00 43:57

I I I just wanted to say you looked very like.

SPEAKER_02 44:00

You were ready to say something. I'm always ready to say something.

SPEAKER_00 44:04

It just takes the gears to turn. I just want to say thank you for actually wanting to interview me and talk about this. It does mean a lot. But also I want to thank your viewers for listening and putting it up with me.

SPEAKER_02 44:21

It's okay. You know what? Hey, we we like you know free conversation here and everything. So but yeah, but thank you so much. And thank you everybody for listening or watching uh where where whatever you do. And uh yeah, and I'll see you in the next uh episode. And until then, stay safe, stay fierce, but of course, always stay spooky.